tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post5243746886358992704..comments2023-10-23T14:20:26.756-07:00Comments on Pam's Dog Academy: Positive Punishment in Verbal FormPam's Dog Academyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14646617837051007374noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-17325385928373940302012-01-09T22:03:34.929-08:002012-01-09T22:03:34.929-08:00Right on Pam! Thanks for being brave in standing u...Right on Pam! Thanks for being brave in standing up for this issue. I hear so many eh eh's and see dogs being pushed over threshold without breaks all the time, and hearing you talk about it via blog and hopefully a conference is really validating!Alice Tong, KPA CTPhttp://www.choosepositivetraining.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-35559292117946701392011-03-04T11:29:25.896-08:002011-03-04T11:29:25.896-08:00Just as President Obama is helping American citize...Just as President Obama is helping American citizens to create better behavior patterns in the economic arena, a White House dog trainer should help the First Family to create positive behavior patterns in their new puppy. As we all know, the more we can establish good habits from the start, the less problems there will be to undo later.<br /><br />Socialization is one of the most important dog containment systemshttp://www.westernblotreagents.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-64586973364364034222010-10-28T15:21:30.857-07:002010-10-28T15:21:30.857-07:00Hey Casey!
The APDT trainers listing has been a p...Hey Casey!<br /><br />The APDT trainers listing has been a problem with me as well. I recommend it with the caveat that is is a list of trainers that belongs to a group that promotes positive training methods. I then give the dog owner my handout on choosing a trainer to use as a guideline. Of course, that is if I do not know anyone in the owners' area.<br />BTW, I have not gone to KPA. CLHgn2dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18188460494221314002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-29992505229699154702010-10-28T10:55:54.079-07:002010-10-28T10:55:54.079-07:00Bravo, Pam!
I have learned a great deal from the ...Bravo, Pam!<br /><br />I have learned a great deal from the APDT, but also agree that a time will come when the organization actually has some sort of standards. <br /><br />I cannot, in good confidence, recommend any of the trainers listed on the APDT site simply because they are listed there. Members may use a variety of corrective tools and techniques - I cannot just send someone a listing Casey Lomonaco, KPA CTPhttp://www.rewardingbehaviors.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-28859686633632432942010-10-25T12:11:06.371-07:002010-10-25T12:11:06.371-07:00Ooh, I so want to add something brilliant to this ...Ooh, I so want to add something brilliant to this conversation. All I can think of is "Yah, me too." I also, intentionally, try to use only two areas of the quadrant. I have secret fears that either life or my bumbling self inadvertently stumble into the punishment realm, however slight, (could this be the reason I have an EX-fiancee?). Yikes. I think I need to go and hug my dog now andSara Scotthttp://www.westcoastpets.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-65280376204305622952010-10-25T08:07:56.093-07:002010-10-25T08:07:56.093-07:00Well, I wanted to make sure that you all know that...Well, I wanted to make sure that you all know that I was talking about +P in this blog entry, but I have used -P before. I think that -P is not bad, but that as trainers we can set the training situation up in a way that allows the dog to be successful. Sometimes we are only human and we do not plan ahead or things end up going differently than we thought they would. Life happens! However, I Pam's Dog Academyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14646617837051007374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-61604227416894137372010-10-25T06:21:44.412-07:002010-10-25T06:21:44.412-07:00@musicofnote1 - frustration does equal learning, b...@musicofnote1 - frustration does equal learning, but as you pointed out, it is how it is applied that is key. In your example, you put the dog possessing a training history, in a learning scenario. No verbal corrections or nagging. And I am quite certain that the absence of that type of interference allowed your dog to solve the problem without emotional fatigue that would have shut her CLHgn2dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18188460494221314002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-79229610307102198552010-10-24T22:12:10.609-07:002010-10-24T22:12:10.609-07:00I agree about APDT - am seriously NOT renewing. Bu...I agree about APDT - am seriously NOT renewing. But I also am not so sure about the objection to -P type "punishment". All punishment, as is the case also with reinforcement, is a matter of degree. just as all behaviors have consequences, -P done well is very effective. If my dog cannot hold a clean "heel" during a dummy walk-up, turning around and not letting her retrieve is musicofnote1https://www.blogger.com/profile/17166762572394489044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-16801944756697597292010-10-24T18:43:52.830-07:002010-10-24T18:43:52.830-07:00That is GREAT! I guess I should renew my membershi...That is GREAT! I guess I should renew my membership and put my two cents in.<br />Cheers/CCLHgn2dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18188460494221314002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-80002166427160372572010-10-24T18:02:38.247-07:002010-10-24T18:02:38.247-07:00BTW on the flight home I started writing up my pro...BTW on the flight home I started writing up my proposal and lecture for the 2012 APDT conference. So, I am getting a head start. :)Pam's Dog Academyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14646617837051007374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-30387953670259623682010-10-24T18:00:53.020-07:002010-10-24T18:00:53.020-07:00I agree that some of us need to step up try to hel...I agree that some of us need to step up try to help rejuvenate the APDT. I am planning on putting in a few proposals to speak. I have never spoke at such a big conference before, but I know that I could do it. I have a lot to say and a few topics of interest to me. :) I am a member of TDF and have many friends that are as well. There are so many GREAT trainers that I know and they should Pam's Dog Academyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14646617837051007374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-40905986386421463202010-10-24T16:51:28.071-07:002010-10-24T16:51:28.071-07:00APDT needs to be rejuvenated, perhaps by people li...APDT needs to be rejuvenated, perhaps by people like those on this forum and the TDF forum. I think part of the problem is APDT, in an attempt to avoid being an elitist organization, went too far in "overlooking" some aversive techniques in the name of education. I have attended several conferences, and I must agree...the platform needs to be updated to meet the needs and the higher CLHgn2dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18188460494221314002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-35696114659548241972010-10-24T09:48:59.672-07:002010-10-24T09:48:59.672-07:00I so agree and I continue to say where knowledge e...I so agree and I continue to say where knowledge ends aversion begins. People may not know what else to do and I think you are right, it is a time for a change. Obviously more education is needed as show me. Show me how, show me the results, show me why. I know it, you know it...and thank you for an honest and refreshing post.Diane Garrodhttp://www.caninetransformations.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-26302135411874216222010-10-24T09:27:07.935-07:002010-10-24T09:27:07.935-07:00Hi Pam,
I so appreciate your honesty. I, too, fe...Hi Pam,<br /><br />I so appreciate your honesty. I, too, feel that I have "outgrown" the apdt conferences. Education is a great thing, however it's only valuable if the students are listening, hearing, and reacting to it. <br />Even though the conference is in SD next year, and only a 6 hour drive for me, I doubt I'll go. My money can be better spent learning in a different Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-44104138368172697852010-10-24T08:47:39.290-07:002010-10-24T08:47:39.290-07:00PAm,
Are you a member of the email group at Truly ...PAm,<br />Are you a member of the email group at Truly Dog Friendly? we started that group years ago to guide and advocate for change within the APDT. At that time, they were advertising seminars of shock collar trainers! We are still trying to make that effort. We feel that the ethical statement of the APDT is a good one, but it is not being enforced among it's listed trainers, and some of Bonnie Hesshttp://www.faithful-companion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963378150964995189.post-40858315081929403882010-10-24T07:38:56.284-07:002010-10-24T07:38:56.284-07:00I agree in my head with you!!! But being only huma...I agree in my head with you!!! But being only human...I make similar verbal mistakes. Then I back track, trying not to over react to my lack of impulse control thereby stressing the dog even more!!! arrgghh. On the bright side, these episodes are becoming less frequent. But now I am seeing colleagues training clients and dogs way beyond the dog's learning threshold and now I have to "CLHgn2dogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18188460494221314002noreply@blogger.com